Posts by Pete Zahut

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Wow! Are You Stumped By Anything This 'Still-in' X-JW says?

by Island Man in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbzn9aric28.

i think he needs help.

i feel pity for him..

Pete Zahut

My Comment Posted:

1. Jehovah's Witnesses leaders make corrections when their prophecies don't come true or are about to fail....they have no choice. They never admit to being wrong, they only say that God didn't think it was necessary for them to have the correct understanding at that time, even though the end was supposedly so close and their own salvation was based on having an accurate knowledge.

2. Jehovah's Witness leaders find it necessary to change their understanding of certain significant doctrines they've held for decades while having claimed to be the mouthpiece of God and the bearers of "the truth". At the same time, they condemn other religions for having incorrect understandings of the scriptures and don't recognize any progress or improvements made by other religions and their understandings and practices over the years. Their message and belief is basically "We are good....they are bad....we are saved....they are doomed "

3.They claim to have an urgent and time sensitive message yet for over 100 years have spread misinformation across the planet through their publications. And their members have spent their lives making and spreading literature all over the world with information that is now considered incorrect. They are responsible for millions of people not having accepted the message because it was obviously inaccurate and unbelievable.

4.Since their beliefs weren't actually the truth, It's a good thing Armageddon didn't arrive years ago like they claimed it would. If their members would have pointed out these incorrect understandings decades ago, they would have been shunned even though since then many of the understandings have been changed back and forth.

5. Most Jehovah's Witnesses don't really care what they are told to beleive or understand where their beliefs originated. They like the social aspect of the religion and the warm fuzzy feeling of superiority they get when from having their ears tickled with dreams about being the only ones who won't be killed by God and will live forever. This belief proves to be a distraction for them and a way to cope with the day to day unknowns of life.

6. Unlike Jesus, they are trained to punish anyone who disagrees with them.

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for those still "in" what's the mood

by lastchance in

in my area the general sense is bleak.

many are in survival mode.

even at the convention the appearance of the majority was unhappy and tired.

Pete Zahut

From the youtube videos one would get the impression that being at the conventions was like being in Disneyland. We all know that part is seeing old friends and has nothing to do with excitment about worshiping God or learning Religious truths.

My feeling is that there is an anti-climactic feeling happening as they return to the day to day grind of meetings and service and real life in general.

It's hard to keep the fantasy alive after another assembly has come and gone and nothing has changed. This time next year it will have all faded into the past.

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Harrass them before they harrass you

by SonoftheTrinity in

why don't dfs who really know how evil jehovah's witnesses are just harrass them as they go door knocking so that when someone intervenes to defend them they get a balanced story about what the jehovah's witnesses are all about.

the ones that were raised in it were raised to be anti-intellectual wusses, they aren't going to win a debate or kick anyone's ass.

but they certainly deserve philosophical and rhetorical smackdowns, they deserve haters standing in their way as they go harrassing everybody in the neighborhood.

Pete Zahut

I've heard of someone this forum who went down the street in their neighborhood after the Witnesses had stopped by and did "anti-Witnessing". They told their neighbors the other side of the JW story.

I suppose if you or several people had the time, you could wait outside the Hall and quietly follow a car group(s) into a neighborhood(s) and quietly follow behind them from door to door leaving anti JW literatrure. The thing is, the door to door work is barely effective in itself so there's probably no need to spend any time trying to undo their efforts. But it would startle or embarrass JW's if they knew there was such an organized effort going on to warn people about them. Just to be prepared, they might even look into what is being said about them which could start some of the long ignored wheels turning in their heads.

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JW.ORG ANNOUNCEMENTS!!!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

jw
friends

jw.org for the past year or so seems to have exploded onto the scene and going foward, to be the new name and face of the old tired and exposed jehovahs wittnesses, bible students, etc... and to the wbats for good reason!!!.

the .org in jw.org is just as important as the jw in this age of internet and information.

if you were to type jw.org or even jw alone into a search engine or directly into your internet browser (most people will type in jw.org into the internet browser, and be taken directly to the website) the first site to come up is of course the intended site, jw.org, and the websites following the initial jw.org site are uneventful, a law firm, media player, etc.

Pete Zahut

Just like any other religion, the Watchtower/JW.Org will have some measure of success. They fill a need and there will always be those who jump on board if they encounter it at the right time in their lives or are born into it. I think it's a waste of time trying to thwart them.

My only hope is that I can get my family out and can somehow recover from the experience myself. I don't care if JW's prosper or go away altogehter. All I want is for the Watchtower leaders to admit just once, that the organization they support and lead, has done serious damage to individuals and family memebers who once belonged and who wasted years of their lives spreading inaccurate teachings throughout the earth via millions of their publications.

If they just admited it ,in a convention talk or in a publication.....many of us would stop being shunned by family and we'd have some sort of closure and would move on.

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Today I dont feel so awesome ....

by Dudu in

today i feel the need to write.

it been 3 years out of the borg and my life has been wonderful since then.

updates?

Pete Zahut

I understand what you are saying DuDu...been there...done that.

Missing your old friends from whom you've been seperated from for one reason or another, is a natural thing but it doesn't mean you've made a wrong choice or that JW's are the "true religion" or that you've actually even really missed out on anything. Chances are, if you'd have been there, you'd have had a nice time but likely it would have been the same old same old. Either way these events are over, they've moved on so have you, no sense looking at the past with regrets when there's no need to.

It's easy to look at the past or at other peoples lives or even their photos and see them through rose colored glasses. Hopefully you're not making yourself feel badly by projecting romantic notions onto these things. If you had spent your life as a non JW but moved away from your old town or neighborhood you'd be having much the same feelings. The hard part about it as a former JW is that so much of this sadness is so unndecssary and so uncalled for.

But as you said, your life these last 3 years has been wonderful and that's what counts the most !

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3 heavens

by Pete Zahut in

was there some "new light" discussed at the recent jw conventions" about "3 heavens" ?

i saw someone on facebook saying they're really going to have to review their assembly notes especially the information about the 3 heavens..

Pete Zahut

Was there some "new light" discussed at the recent JW Conventions" about "3 Heavens" ? I saw someone on facebook saying they're really going to have to review their assembly notes especially the information about the 3 Heavens.

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JW.org Logo

by XBEHERE in

jw
friends

dear brothers:.

you will be pleased to know that the governing body has approved displaying the official.

logo for jw.org on assembly halls and kingdom halls.

Pete Zahut

For decades they could have used the television media to spread the "good news" throughout the earth in an instant" but they said it would"cheapen" the message and besides that, we were commanded to go from door to door.

Now, Jehovah's "great and holy name" has been reduced to the letter J.

His "chosen people" will soon be know as JW's

and their religion has become an Org.

"Advertize Advertize Advertize the King and his Website"

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If the organization is all about money.....

by Pete Zahut in

then why would they be so insistent about dfing people ?

if it's money the watchtower org is after, it seems like they'd want to hold on to all the members they can.. how would you answer this logic?.

Pete Zahut

Sorry to be the one to say this, but there's a flaw in your premise, in that it assumes altruism is the primary motivating force in the WTS...

This is not my premise, I'm trying to argue a point with a JW relative who says that Disfellowshipping is not an outright means to control people. He says it is an unfortunate necessity that is carried out in order to accomplish their assignment from God to spread the word and live in accordance to his commandments. He says it is much like a family who has certain members of the family who continually cause the rest of the family distress and termoil and for the good of the family unit, the other members decide to cut him out of their lives until he demonstrates that he will no longer be a source of problems.

This makes as much sense as wondering why Fidel Castro arrested and executed political critics, doesn't he want them to be out in the population working in order to collect taxes from them?

I understand what you are saying but comparing the ousting of someone who is "causing trouble" from a congregation, to Castro's executions doesn't seem appropriate in this case.

To use your own comparison; McDonald's is a business first and foremost; it disciplines workers who act inappropriately - not because it wants to altruistically feed the masses (if that were the case, it would give people food for free) - but because McDonald's employees who act inappropriately negatively impact McDonald's financial bottom line, which, in turn, ultimately threatens its survival.

He agrees, the Watchtower/JW.org is a business and has to be run like one to keep it going but the congregations, where the individuals attend, isn't a buisness. The congregations and individuals are like customers or patrons of the Watchtower/ JW.org. If the Watchtower is all about money, they'd want to keep as many of their customers as possible rather than put them out. He says this proves they are more about accomplishing thier mission than they are about making money.

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If the organization is all about money.....

by Pete Zahut in

then why would they be so insistent about dfing people ?

if it's money the watchtower org is after, it seems like they'd want to hold on to all the members they can.. how would you answer this logic?.

Pete Zahut

Your question is the same of "Why Google does not make food?" or "Why McDonalds does not make software?".

They could turn the WT in a big fast food company if you think just in money. But they don't want to abandon their purpose in first place.

WT purpose: Listen Obey and Be Blessed. Control, control, control....

Thanks for all your responses. I agree with the idea that they disfellowship so that they can intimidate or eliminate anyone who may disagree with them. The argument I'm getting is that their mission is to spread the "good news" and obey god's commandments. For the good of the greater number, they disfelloswhip in order to thwart anyone who may be trying to undermine their efforts in accomplishing that purpose much the same way McDonalds might fire someone who was publicaly promoting vegetarianism or speaking out publically or to their coworkers about how bad McDonalds food is.

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Something Big is Coming...

by notsurewheretogo in

the annual meeting of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses will be in october 2014.. .. in november 2013, just after the last one they published this now famous statement in the 15th of november 2013 watchtower page 16 paragraph 17 says:.

"at that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from jehovahs organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.".

Pete Zahut

If they are expecting something big and it had to do with actual Bible prophecy, they'd be all over it....NOW ! There'd be no waiting....no building of expectation no teasing of the "publishers" who've been waiting with baited breath for decades.

If anything big is coming, it's only about introducing ways for them to make more, by doing less but first they have to condition everyone so they'll be releived to hear what it is and be primed and ready to unquestioningly jump on board with it.

No more printing magazines (let the internet do the work)

No more pioneers and missionaries (let the internet reach the people)

Less meetings...since they've already got people committed for contributions, they'll go for more money making once a month "special assemblies".

All public speaking at the Kingdom Halls and Assemply Halls will be done via satellite or prerecorded video from New York.

No need to go in service and talk...just direct people to the internet.

Celebrating annual non religious events is a conscience matter.

Blood transfusions are acceptable if the blood is seperated into fractions and the seperate fractions are introduced into the body separately.

etc etc etc.